I've been in clans that want to go "pro" and its a bloody waste of time if u ask me! We're all here to have fun!

well, vo0 as made over 100,000 in the last year alone and round 10 ppl below him in ranking have made from 20-80,000

wait, no wait , hang on... so your saying i'm not a pro-gamer??
dame it i'll have to get a proper job then.

rofl the only people who want to be pro gamers are teh 14 year old wannabie hackers.

fools just think about all the girls you meet at LANS. GIRLS!
won't find them in a real job!
/tips hat
/drives into sunset

why make something fun into something not fun (work)

Er, thats a silly comment tbh. In their eyes they're obviously not making it into something not fun, otherwise they wouldnt do it. If they become 'professional' gamers they still play games and im sure they still have fun playing them. Fair play to the guys imo, trying to make a living out of something they love doing, wish I had the courage to do that sometimes.

E-sports are whatever you want them to be. They're a hobby for people like us yes because we don't devote enough time to games to be amazing or anything. But I don't think you should put down people who do. Some people get paid a lot of money to game, wish I did. E-sports are developing faster than any sport ever has, it took decades and decades for football to be formerly recognised as a sport. In the space of 10 years e-sports have achieved more in terms of organisation, structure etc than in the first 50(at least) years of Football. E-sports have developed at such a pace I can see them one day being absolutly massive. We

it cut me off! pos. My final point was:

"We're at a crossroads at the moment. Most of generation with the power at the moment didn't grow up with Computers around them, so consequently know little about e-sports and dismiss the idea of esports due to their limited understanding. However in 20-30 years time nearly every person will have grown up surround by computers. They will have a better understanding of e-sports and will be more willing to accept the idea of e-sports. Also in 20-30 years time graphics will no doubt be amazingly good. I think eventually e-sports will be become big big business.

well said landen. i would be quite like to be a pro gamer myself. cant see myself watching it as a sport on telly tho... think thats going a bit too far. but who knows where time will take us?

Chris, no way. Im not putting people down and yes I bet it is fun to travel to different parts of the world, but you are talking about a very small minority that get to do that. Nego mentioned v00 earlier on, yes 1v1 games does have the potential to go quite far in terms of entertainment sports, sadly team games I think not. How many UK gamers can you recall make a good living from playing a game they like? Its one thing getting paid to go on trips, its another thing to actually come first place and take the gold. As i said professional gaming is laughable and will never grow much bigger than what it is now, infact if anything online gaming comps are not as popular as they were even 2 years ago.

NOBODY will watch it on TV, that's the point. NOBODY at all.

The wannabe's waste their formative years trying to get 'spons0rz' and shit when they should be getting and education, shagging girls and occasionally getting a bit too pissed. Instead they drink coke, eat crisps and sit on their fat ****ing asses playing games. And for what? The dream of earning a few quid and little more, very, very few ppl will ever get much cash from playing games. And in the mean time you have to spend time in a community that has no respect and a pathetic childish language. Most of the people who aspire to 'pro' gaming are as sad as sad can be. There are of course a few decent guys with extremelt high skill levels who aren;t complete cocks, but not many.

And as Felon said, most of the big competitions are in fact beign diluted by covering more games, each with their own smaller and smaller fan bases and you won;t find your average CS CPL fan watching a frigging HALO comp and vice versa, E-Sports a

are destined to be in a niche, pretty much where they are now for the forseeable future.

Who knows what the future will bring, but curret games as we know them will not see many team based, televised sports hitting the big time. It's way too dull to watch.

Im not saying that gaming as it is now will ever be popular to the masses. It won't. What im saying is e-sports, like IT in general, is evolving faster than any sport ever before. No one thought after 10 years of football being around it would ever be played/loved by millions. It was played by a niche, some guys from pubs got together and started kicking a ball around. And it the same story for every sport we know today, they've all changed and evolved since they were created, some radically. I think because E-sports are evolving and growing faster than anything we've ever seen in 20-30 years things could very different.

Can you see this in a conversation in a pub?

Did you Beckham last night?, that second gole was class.

yer but it was no Fatal1ty inquake last week! 65 Frags in the first match

football started in the Han Dynasty in about 2nd century BC! not by some people from the pub ;x

I meant in this country. I did sports history at Uni for 6months. I cant remember specific details but football league we know began as a pubs playing eachother.

LOL, pro gaming :s K if my child grew p and wanted to become nothing more than a pro gamer i think i would have failed as a parent tbh. I wouldn't mind if they wanted to join a clan as i know the fun i have had doing it, but the whole pro gamer issue never! lmao, and as Re0sLess said, can u honestly imagine going to the pub to watch a pro gaming event? soo funny! As for ppl making a living from it, i think it was quoted 20 ppl make a decent living.... wow, 20 ppl out of billions.... even it that number multiplied by a factor of 1000 it's still hardly mainstream.... For the few who can achieve it, good on them but i really can't see this being anythign more than a minor distraction from the real world.

Again, you seem to be missing my point. Im thinking radically different to the gaming/gamer we know now. Its only all just begun in relative terms, as technology improves the possibilities are endless. If graphics get to the point where they look photo real I can imagine a melding of computer generated graphics and physical activity.

like cyber sex ?

rofl, a gamer will always b someone doing it for fun. even if teh gfx are photo realistic, no one will want to watch it apart from pro wannerbies, for anythign to becom big it has to appeal to the masses, not just geeky kids

Dont be so sure D3cyph3r, i only have to say 2 words

GAMES MASTER...

Most gamers are fat bastards who sit around all day, its not really the right lifestyle to make e-sports main stream. I neab the phrase "e-sports" just makes me laught tbh, its like calling a darts player a sportsman.

I guess e-sports is the same a chess? its fun to play but you'll only watch it if your into that game your self. thats not to say that ppl who can play chess are any thing like gamers,, but its not a spectator sport.

unless you are korean, but i guess maybe they have sweet fa to do bar make fked up harsh films like old boy. As some one said there are probs 20 people who make a decent amount of cash the rest dont even break even. Take 4k the uk's best cs clan they dont actually win that many lans i very much doubt they make alot of cash. Pro gaming is something the wannabies and the kids aspire to be, they dont realise they will make much more cash by getting a actual job.

You guys have no imagination. ¬_¬

if all it took was imagination, i rekon we could all be pro gamers then

jammin, many ppl debate the line between sports and games. football was just a game, still is, but also a sport. along with snooker, hockey, polo etc.... it's an extremely fine line. pro gamers put years of practice in, just like pro athletes. it all depends on point of view.

reoless, a spectator sport is defined as "any sport that can would be entertaining for groups of people to watch". surely then, if there was enough interest, there would be nothing stopping esports becoming a spectator sport. to some ppl i am sure it already is. if the media ever became interested in it (which is starting to happen) then who knows how far they may take it!?

and decypher, if ur child wanted to become a pro footballer or snooker player would ur opinion change? just coz the money isnt in esports yet doesnt mean it doesnt have the potential to grow. if one was to multiply the number of ppl who could make a living out of it by 1000 then surely they would be in the same league as pro american foot

...ball players - which is watched by the masses. and also, if you still think only geeks aspire to become pro gamers than u are mistaken, and im sure even more will become interested if they knew it was a viable option when it comes to career choice.

it's not a viable option, behave hakz

yet

Hakz do you crave after a pro gamer career ??

Um, yeah lets just take the piss out of him for him trying to make a valid point. Yeah, that's gonna win you the conversation.

Saying NO-ONE will watch it is complete bullshit. Kids all over the world watch gaming programs, there will be plenty of people to watch it, and as Landen said, over time it can get bigger. I mean, jeez, who the **** would of thought cricket would of taken off...

no-one will watch teams of kids playing cs on TV. hence it will never become mainstream.

Loads of people watch TV programs about games, but thats not the same thing, think about it.

We're not saying they ****ing will! We're saying that in however many years time things could change, and they will change. As more and more kids grow up around computers and gaming as they get they will be more willing to accept it. As ive said before theres no way gaming as it is today will be popular to the masses but imo that will change over time.!

+older

Mani, I'm afraid kids will watch kids playing games. If someone is interested in games then yes they may well watch things like that.

Remember the saying "each to their own"?

do i crave a career in pro gaming?

currently i would love a career in anything, being unemployed and fed up of having a total absence of money. if that career would involve doing something i enjoy, such as gaming, then i would leap at the opportunity!!

As stan pointed out pros dont usaly break even so you wouldnt be making money fast unless you God like at it. (like me ) you'd be beter of geting a job programming/reviewing/.testing games as it pays a more constant wage.

I guess were all gona have to agree to disagree on this one.

Landen does raise a valid point, gaming gaming atm for making money is doing nothing, butt it 20 years time who knows what could happen, Mani could be a 60 yr old Quake 18 l33t pr0.

I'll be nowherre near 60 and you'll still be much older than me

do i think its a realistic goal to be a pro gamer? Sure! But, like any athlete (except some broke /3rd world ppl who have nothing to do but kick a soccer ball around <im sure some of them would rather learn :/>, you should get your life in order first.

I play fps 40 hours a week. I also make 34,000 + beneits at my job (dell), which didnt require post secondary. my living expenses are about 40% of my income, yet i still play video games full time +. Time management i suppose.

i am lookin into becoming a pro gamer and some of these comments are stupid cuz some people are good at brick layin others carpentry but y laugh when people want to play computer games for a living if your good at it do it i say

Dude, way to rake up a 4 year old covnersation

Anyway, the whole point of it was not whether people are good enough, its whether there's any money in it. For all but a VERY SMALL handful of people I think the answer is still a resounding NO!

And after 4 years is gaming any more mainstreem than it was back then? I must admit i did watch that thing they showed on SKY occasionally, but it's still massivly minority. You have to lpay the games to really get whats going on and the only mass market gaming is the Wii so unless they make a world Wii Bowling tournament it's not going to appeal to the masses

Yeah but considering you can play Wii bowling by just flicking your wrist while sitting on the sofa...

Maybe it's time for the return of VR? Lol

lol, for a sec then i thought id gone back in time, lol