I use my Motorola v3i m, can fit quite a bit of music on there and its handy.

The point i was making was, i was looking for help not a debate on MP3 player .

I personaly dont like phones as anything other than phones (the v31 is the razor phone right?), as i like to keep my gadgets seperate, so if i loose/replace my phone. i dont lose my mp3 player, digicam etc.

the ZEN is nice but 8GB is 3GB to little for me.

:/

in related stuff, i was looking into copyright the other day.

did you guys know that its Illigal to make MP3's out of you own CDs in the UK?

I thorght that was an OK thing to do!!!

oh here my pritty black/red U2 iPOD
http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/u2-ipod-diagram.jpg

Yeh I realise that, but before I commented you'd already solved the problem.

Yeh, tis my phone, I do have a muvo, but i lack pocket space as it is so i like using my phone so I dont have to carry around to much.

Man i HATE U2 should be shot in their irish face's !!!!

Quote: Stan
Man i HATE U2 should be shot in their irish face's !!!!

What a supprise, something/one Stan dislikes.

Oh please lots of things i love, just as is the way with world, more things you think are poor or dislike than there are things that you like.
I am afraid i dont like U2's cheep cheesy music, each to their own though.

I dont like u2, but it liked the black/red iPOD beter than the cheep white looking one.

You can actually record using a standard Ipod, if you press the buttons in a certain order it boots with a linux startup screen with a record option. Google it, I forget how to do it as I sold mine a couple of years ago.
Booting it this way also lets you add linux compatible games too