Obviously they're either trying to lower the cost of producing it by removing things they think people won't care for - or they're trying to get people to buy more of their shit launch lineup

Rofl not taking the piss at all.

Its a bit stupid but does it really matter, if people want to play ps2 games then u just change a plug and play it. Whats the point in getting rid of a ps2 for about £20 nowadays, if you want to play games on the system then keep it.

The point is that MOST of the people who will buy a ps3, will have had a ps2. It would be nice to be able to play those games you had owned without having to swap over consoles or go dig out the right cables etc. Not to mention the fact that its the europeans getting shafted yet again. If you are going to pay £500 for a console then you exspect it to be able to do backwards compat. Hell a wii can.

Maybe, imo its just a novelty idea, the console/price should be judged on its own games, not whether it can emulate 5 year old games. The only way I think backwards compatibilty would be worthwhile is if a company(Nintendo/Sega) had the whole back catalogue available to play. I dont see what the interest is in going over the same games you have already played to death on the previous generation. Obviously its shit for europe and it shouldnt be, but why expect a change when its been like that for 20 years.

You are right seph, why did people bother to stop slavery when it had been going on for so long. The fact is even if you think its a novelty idea, we are still getting ****ed over for no reason other than sony want to make more cash and don't give a toss about their customers. As for backwards compatibitly I for one can't wait to play the snes zelda when I finally get a wii, or maybe a classic xbox game I missed first time around that I can play on the 360. Fine if sony suddenly nock off a huge amount on the price so we are no longer paying £500 quid for a overpiced piece of shite of a console, but I very much doubt thats going to happen.

Stopping slavery isnt quite the same is it as having to wait a bit longer for a computer game etc, also when u get a wii ur going to be paying for that game which doesnt really count as backwards compatibility. I think they will drop the price within a year when they are still being outsold by the other 2 consoles and also the DS.

it does count as backwards compatibility as you can play gamecube games on it - ie: not from the virtual console. That's one of the main reasons I bought the Wii as well. I missed out on games like windwaker and resident evil 4 which were out after I sold my cube. Now i've got those to play as well as the new stuff being released.

What does ripping us off have to do with waiting a bit longer ?
This post is about Sony removing the chips that cope with backwards compatibility.
As for paying for the game not counting as backwards compatiblity, surely you had to pay for the game at some point unless you are a thief ?
If they didnt put in backwards compat from the starts thats one thing, but removing it just for the European customers is a piss take and that is what i was refering too. Dropping the price a year down the line doesnt excuse taking the piss either, because chances are they would have done that anyway. If they really want to be fair which I doubt, they should give you a option on which one you want, if you dont want backwards compat then you pay less etc.

Not quite sure I could compare it to slavery

I'm getting shafted here quite a lot. AFAIK, the PS3 is region free yes? I was looking forward to being able to play my copys of SF3 and Okami without using swap discs. If they're not supported, I'm going to be truly ****ed off. I normally stick up for Sony as it's normally easier for people to insult them rather then think over what's happening, but this is starting to really take the sticky biscuit.

On a side note, the PS3 isn't Emulating PS2 games, it actually has the PS2 hardware in it so I'm not quite sure why this is happening.

I wasnt really compairing it to stoping slavery just saying that if people dont try and stop something just because its gone on for a long time then the world would be in even worse shape than it is now

Well obviosuly when your not paying for it which was my point in the first place. also ur still paying for those games u missed out on. I dont see the point of selling a console and missing out on games like that in the hope u might be able to play them next gen. You could easily of bought a gc for a cheap price and played them when they were out, instead of paying for a next gen console.

Re-read what midnight said. You can miss games on a certain format for many reasons.

I didn't think "ooh i'll seel my cube, no doubt nintendo will make me a nice new console so that I can play any games I miss out on later" ??? How do you think that works ? I sold the cube cause it only had a few decent games on it. I had the xbox instead which had more that appealed to me and my bro who played 2 player games a lot. Now the Wii is out I can catch up on stuff I missed out IF I CHOSE TO. There's no choice with the ps3. If you see a game that's out on the ps2 that you think looks cool you gotta pay more to buy a ps2 afterwards when everyone else is playing them fine in other countries ? I don't think so ! More fool you if you do Seph.

they are doping this due to the laws in the EU making the unreliable hardware ps2 emulators not an option so the Eu version which has to last 3 years ( not 1 like US and asian ) this software emulation is more relaible but less compatible. its also cheaper to make which negs the question why does the EU version cost £120 more when its cheaper to make? i can see this console bringing sony down.

ps2's are £50 in asda from last friday so get a jap PS3 (if you really must) buy a ps2 and save £70. youll probably need the ps2 games to play as the ps3 has an ever shrinking gamebase. infact just buy a PS2 keep your money