since halo is one of the worst fps's ive ever pld, this wont tempt me to buy crackdown demo out for it next week i think so ill see what its like then

While I agree, many Xbox addicts would shoot you for saying that.

£45 (or what ever ) to play a beta is not an incentive, if you need to play halo that much you should check into the clinic with the WoW addicts

now now reo,

i didnt pay for my Burning Crusade beta key (some idiots did for £400+)

they can try mani, but while they r spazzing away trying to target me with their inaccurate analogue sticks, ill have already headshotted them with my mouse

if you practice with analogue sticks though you can still aim fast and well. Plus it's an even playing field so comparing the two is stupid as you can't use a mouse on Halo (yes I know about that stupid hardware thing) Halo is still a good mutiplayer game and you'd be surprised how accurate some players are in Halo and GoW with the controller.

I thought part of vista and the 360 was that you could play people on their 360's while you was on the pc ?

In some situations an analog stick player can be more accurate/consistent.

Not in a fps game not even close, other types of game then sure

Dont get me wrong, people can get very good using a analog stick. But if the worlds best pc quake 3 player was to play the worlds best console quake 3 player, its my view that the pc player would dick the console guy seven ways of sundays.

in regard to what Stan said, quake 3 is meant for a pc. unless you modify if possible the analog controller to turn very quickly if needed, then the mouse would own over the analog controller because surprisingly, there are differences...

A true master, the world's best, would not only master one system....

anyone even close to the world's best would never be "owned" or as you try to describe pwnage....

Halo is meant for the console. As anyone who has tried to play Halo 2 on the PC, I have heard that online play is atrocious from reliable resources. An analog would have the advantage over the PC mouse when the game advantages people who are using the intended system it was designed for...and Halo 1 & 2, as mentioned above, was made for xbox first and foremost.

I remember making my brother destroy Halo, the actual game disk, in frustration...Halo 2 always rang to me as really Halo 1 & a half......even after mastering Halo, its a much different game than quake 3.....I have no loyalty to Halo, and especially not to quake 3, which I thought was much worst on the poor design fragfest game....

if anyone is actually interested in playing halo 3, which I'm not, they should of at least played or have an idea of Halo 1 and/or 2, and expect to pay $50 to play the "coveted" beta spot.......beta being an unpolished possibly bug ridden game depending on how many bugs in alpha were found.....

To Obi, Halo isn't the worst FPS I've ever played, its head and tales above DOOM, the original, and better imho than quake 3....Halo 2 isn't really anything besides a better multiplayer for Halo....and few minor differences with vehicles & ordinance....(Halo 1 & a half)

My expectations are for Halo 3 to improve minor improvements over Halo 2, if they don't botch the base g