Just purchased these two beatuies and the wireless wheel, while it might not be as easy as a pad it certainly adds in some fun factor. Force feedback is pretty legendary too, trying to control a slide or being bumped has a totally new meaning and my forearms are burning like hell now! Feel like ive been down the gym doing weights haha.

As a sim forza seems solid, alot like GT, DiRT on the other hand seems like a massive pile of fun and I cant wait to get stuck into them both over the coming weeks. Expect to see DiRT review sometime soon!

I had the Microsoft Sidewinder forcefeedback steering wheel for the pc about 8 years ago (?) and remember playing Colin Mcrae on that, it was class