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24 August 2006 19:17
I will tell you to get a ****ing clue as you dont have a clue what you are talking about, sorry but its true cs is ****ed with a bad netcode and dodgy hitboxs its that simple ral. Me calling you a noobie doesnt change the fact i am right about this, it isnt even a matter of opinion it is a matter of FACT. CS got screwed over when they changed the new netcode, hell just google for some of the problems with the netcode.


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24 August 2006 19:21  Edited by Stan on 24-Aug-06 at 19:23
I am sorry if i come across as a tad harsh i am just sick of all these ****ing muppets who play the game but dont have a goddamn clue what they are playing. I didnt mean to insult u personally ral, however i am right this once about the netcode
On the note that u said gameplay cant become dated, how many games that a few years ago you loved have you since come back to, and realised that the gameplay is dated and very very simplistic. I think most people have had at least 1 game they loved ruined because they went back to it now and exspected more.


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24 August 2006 19:23
Several things combined to ruin cs. One was the community degenerated into a circle-jerking 'pro' scene at one end, and a bunch of drooling retards at the other.

Valve did contribute though. They fiddled with the netcode made auto snipers more accurate, added shields and failed to contribute to a decent level of anti-cheat.



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24 August 2006 19:25  Edited by ralinn on 24-Aug-06 at 19:29
Stan you have no idea what you're on about because you've provided me with no proof at all on what you're saying. All I know is that I have no problems aiming at someones head and blowing it off WITHOUT spraying like a "noobie". Sure I've had the occasional bullshit just like ANY other game but that's all down to the way multiplayer FPS's work, ie. not using a technique called 'lockstep' but 'Dead reckoning'.

Post me proof of what you're saying and I'll agree with you, but I don't see you doing it. I want to see proof from the net code, not some link to some geeky kid which took a glimpse of the netcode and thinks he knows what the **** he's on about. I've also seen the hitboxes my self and there's nothing wrong with them apart from the fact that they are HITBOXES and BOXES have flaws.



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24 August 2006 19:39
The hitboxes are dreadful, especially the crouching hitboxes which seem to be random entirely (like shooting directly down through a player's head and not getting any headshots registered).

They can also lag when you crouch - causing the boxes to remain where they were when you were standing for about a second or so.

I seem to remember opening the models in hlmodelviewer and turning on hitboxes and the head box would extend down someone's back when crouched, but be barely visible from the front. But that was a few years ago so can't remember exactly.

Anyway that's all i'll add to this stupid topic. Needless to say as fas as im concerned both Valve and the community contributed to CS ruin.



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24 August 2006 19:49  Edited by ralinn on 24-Aug-06 at 19:52
Agreed, shields ruined it, the hitboxes used to do that but Valve fixed that.. that I'm sure of. But still, it's a multiplayer game and there will ALWAYS be bullshit, you guys don't seem to be mentioning BF2. I had so many more issues with that then I ever did with CS.



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24 August 2006 19:52
They did not fix it, they just stuck their heads in the sand. Just like they do with css.


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24 August 2006 19:57
Show me the proof stan, I know I've seen it fixed and I'm pretty sure you're being bitter.



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24 August 2006 20:00
How about you find me the proof that it aint ****ed and they fixed the hitboxs ?
I aint bitter its just shit, valve made hl1 which is quite possibly the best fps game ever made same for hl2, they just dont have a ****ing clue when it comes to multi player netcodes.
At the end of the day i aint going to lose sleep that most people are idiots and cant see what is right infront of them, after all the majority voted for Bush and bought Britney huge boobies Spears records so she could become rich.
Anyway we have had many conversations like this over the history of gameslave, in the end they never do anything.


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24 August 2006 20:02  Edited by ralinn on 24-Aug-06 at 20:03
Stan, it was in their resolved list a while ago. Again, calling people idiots and muppets is not going to get you anywhere. Putting others down is NOT going to make you look superior. Talking like that is only going to get people irritated and the thread locked, lets try and keep it civil.



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24 August 2006 20:10  Edited by Stan on 24-Aug-06 at 20:11
Please its a fact that a large portion of people are idiots in some way shape or form, it doesnt make them less worthy or anything. But pretending everyone is the same does nothing, you can say it was resolved in a list a while ago but that still aint showing me proof is it. Plus just cos valve say something is fixed doesnt not mean it is. I am a idiot in many ways, i wouldnt have a clue on how to fix a car or do alot of things, everyone is clever in their own way.
Pretty much every good oldschool player knows that valve shafted the netcode, i agree with mal it aint the only reason cs is the way it is, hell people with attitudes like me that cant stand people who think it aint shafted is another reason why it is the way it is.
However i have played cs for many years before they shafted the netcode and for quite some time i put up with the shite after they changed the netcode, i am in about as good a position to comment on the netcode as you are going to find. Most cs players now have not played it before they shafted the netcode and therefor they have no idea what they are missing or even that it is shite. That is what i mean when i say that the vast cs population are noobs, they are new to the game and as such dont have a clue about how it was and how it is.
Anyway it is obivous you like cs and thats your choice, and i am sure even if i could be arsed to go threw all my old links and actually find one that works you wouldnt pay any attention to it. So can we please just move on


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24 August 2006 20:30
Stan I wouldn't shrug off being wrong and yes I would pay attention too it. One thing that pissed me off was you getting on your high horse, saying everyone is wrong, going on about how great you, Mani and Grant are and you have no ****ing idea how long I've been playing it for. You just assume I'm not "old school" because I have a different opinion to you.



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24 August 2006 20:46
I assume you aint oldschool because 90 percent of good oldschool players agree with me, where as 99 percent of new players think like you. Thats why i made the assumption you aint ever played it before they changed the netcode, if i was wrong in my assumption i am very sorry. But most new players class oldschool as 1.3 and that aint oldschool.


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Personally I didn't like 1.1. My fav version was 1.5, I felt the bunny hopping ruined the pace of the game, sometimes I felt I was playing quake and I wanted something to set it apart from mindless games like that. So I agreed with the jumping changes. 1.5 was the only version I actually 100% liked. 1.6 I didn't like, though the netcode was never a problem for me even though I did notice the change.

If I've never had consistent problems with headshotting people, if I've never had issues aiming accurately, burst firing and headshotting without having to spray, then you have to understand that I'm not going to agree with you. The only reason I've become a little argumentative is because of the name calling just because I don't have the same issues as you, mani and Grant. (Now I KNOW Grant Enjoyed 1.5! We used to have great fun)



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24 August 2006 21:23
You can still have a laugh with your mates and the game be bullshit though, grant knows as well as anyone how shafted the netcode and hitboxs are, anyway stfu so i can get back to just cause demo on the 360 !!!


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24 August 2006 21:24  Edited by malis on 24-Aug-06 at 21:25
****, you should be playing the PC version. Mal said it's the worst game he's ever played.

BTW i'd like to pleasure your face later tonight Stan if that's ok, feeling quite horny tonight



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24 August 2006 21:29
Why you didn't post this from your own site Ryan i'll never know.... Video proof


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24 August 2006 21:32
Aye that one or the jumping awp hs at some one who is like 6 foot away from his crosshair
I wish i had a video of when i was playing with Nitrus [David] and i shoot this guy bang on in the chest with a awp but it goes right threw him, he then jumps and in mid air glocks me. On ventrilo i snap and i hear David laughing and i go I KNOW ITS BULLSHIT NO NEED TO LAUGH, but it turns out that shot that had gone right threw the guy who took up my entire screen, had gone threw the double doors on aztec and had randomly headshot david as he was running by across the other end of the map. GG CS
Still i cried so hard that night i couldnt breath.


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24 August 2006 21:39
Now that's some funky bullshit going on there.



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24 August 2006 21:43  Edited by Nitrus on 24-Aug-06 at 21:55
aye tis true, CS has so much bullshit it makes me cry when i play with Stan. Stans BS > Valve


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